HELLO,
ISN’T ANYBODY FLABBERGASTED BY THIS 8.23 FLOATER THAT ADRIANO DID IN HIS HEAT (AT 0:35) TO BEAT OWEN’S TURNS AND SPINS AND GRABS AND BRAZZO CLAIMS, ALL OF WHICH WERE OF BETTER QUALITY AND VARIETY?!?! I AM VERY UPSET RIGHT NOW AND WILL BE PASSING OUT DETENTIONS TO ALL MY STUDENTS AND WRITING ALL EMAILS WITH CAPITAL LETTERS TODAY TO EXPRESS MY ANGER AND PASSIVE AGGRESSION AND FRUSTRATION WITH THE ASP JUDGES PANEL. OWEN SHOULD’VE THROWN HIS SURFBOARD THROUGH THE FUCKEN PLEXIGLASS JUDGES WINDOW AND FUCKED ALL THEIR WIVES SAMBA STYLE ON THE SAND AFTER THAT HEAT, COMPLETELY WARRANTED.
FOREVER YOURS,
BLACK JACKP.S. I AM IN NO WAY UPSET WITH ADRIANO. I ACTUALLY LIKE HIM AND ALL OF HIS TINY LATIN MAN PASSION. AND I HOPE TO HANG OUT WITH A BRAZILIAN GIRL AND DRINK CAPARINHAS AT WOODY’S THIS WEEKEND.
The comments thread on the Heats on Demand page is alive with similar, though less entertaining, discussion.
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Hands down the worst judging I’ve ever seen. Compare the air Bobby did again Kelly that netted him a 7.5. Now go back and watch Owens snap to air combo for a high 6. Then, throw in Adriano’s lateral floater. 8.23? Really? Given it was the biggest wave of the heat. And yes, the landing was of higher degree than most floaters. However, shouldn’t have been any higher than a 6. In fact, nobody in the history of the asp (even in the 80s) scored an 8+ for a floater. Ever.
Motion to fire all judges and head judge associated with the Billabong Pro Rio?
Aye.
Well, I don’t think Owen’s waves were as critical despite the better surfing. I think the Asp seems to be rewarding more for catching bigger waves and doing more critical maneuvers rather than technical surfing/tricks. His floater had a lot more tension in it than a smaller wave that Owen had with a kind of forced bunny hop air that didn’t have the speed on a slower wave. I’m not more partial to the Brazilians in any way, but I think if you are an older pro on the tour you are more likely to pull out more points than a younger surfer. The waves kinda sucked anyway. The contest was more like the contests from 10 years ago in crappy conditions.
Fire Brodie Carr now please….
P.S. I AM IN NO WAY UPSET WITH ADRIANO. I ACTUALLY LIKE HIM AND ALL OF HIS TINY LATIN MAN PASSION. AND I HOPE TO HANG OUT WITH A BRAZILIAN GIRL AND DRINK CAPARINHAS AT WOODY’S THIS WEEKEND.
No way any brazilian chick will ever look at a dumbass australian. All you have is your hand. Make a proper use of it.
I’m brazilian and I’m happy by De Souza’s victory, but the judges were fucking crazy! The judging criteria went to space! And it’s happened during the whole event, not only in this heat. High-scores for floaters and snaps?!
ASP needs make a reunion and fix all the shits in the judging criteria.
I’m dissapointed and ashamed of this event!
If this is the “Dream Tour”, I don’t wanna know how the “Nightmare Tour” is!
Q:how many people can do a floater on a 4 foot closeout
A:everybody whos been surfing for more than 3 years
Q:how many people can do a snap a setup cuttie and then a sweet slob grab air on a closeout
A:about 0.001% of all surfers
this is the worst decision of judging all year, (which has been a rather shitty year for the judges) i can only pin this decision to the one judge rule: a head judge (full of pride and ego) will have total influence over his robot minors. he sees a wave and thinks a lateral floater must be good seeing the whole crowd was screaming for it, and tells his minors the score should be in the 8range. anyone who disagrees is slapped and raped.
oh yeh, can surfing journo’s (surfingmag) please dare to start writing articles that address this shit judging. pleassssssssssseeeeeeee.
that floater from adriano had exactly the same criteria as joel’s two floaters in the day before against jeremy in which he got a 9.6 something
i was a refferee for the NBA for years, while refing i accepted cash to throw games, so its safe to say i know a payoff when i see one. mr. de souza clearly did not earn that 8, it was powerfull and commited (ah la charles barkly circa 1985), but no where near mr.wrights finess and versitility( ah la labron james present). best of luck to the asp and there compleat loss of credibility. if they need any help judging im looking for a job. thanks.
on a side note i thought greg sayer was the biggest douch in commentating but gt my man you take the cake.
I stay with the judges, was a very close call. Would happen the same in Oz for Owen for sure. A good place to cry is in bed with a blanket. Congrats Adriano.
adriano did do a sick floater, but the year is 2011, not 1991.
who cares about this contest anyway.
Congrats Adriano! you deserved win. The most part of time your surf was high, mainly in Arpoador beach. See you guys, in Saquarema beach next tuesday, start COCA COLA OAKLEY PRO. Bye!!
Owen deserved that heat but brazzos are underscored at US ou AU for years .
I’m not saying that one mistake should replace another, but all this debate is happening because for the first time a brazilian was overscore.
FIRST THING- I UNDERSTAND THE CRITERIES USEDS FROM THE JUDGS.
BIG WAVES AND CRITCALS MANUVERS.
OWEN WAVE`S SMMAL FIRST TURN, NO WATER, JUST A GOOD OF THE TOP AND THAN THE SMALL SLOB AIR.
SECOND-
TO ME U ARE ENVY FROM THE BRAZZOS DOMINNATS NO MATE??
WORST ARTCHCLE EVER PUBLISHD IN THIS SITE..
I do not know whether it was fair or not, but remained consistent since Jeremy got a 8.5 with just a floater. joel got over 9 with floaters too. All competitors who were watching the event were aware of this, if not tried long floaters they did wrong option and many who tried to fell several times, showing which were critical of the maneuver to return … anyway, I thought the wave owen was more than he needed, but first i have see the judges stealing for a Brazilian. Black jack, i agree about write a letter, but I think it’s attitude could have come earlier, when Adriano was stolen in the gold coast against taj or simply to justify the bob´s martinez indignation in bell´s beach.
Taking this mistake, adriano surfed incredibly well all event and gave no chance for Taj in the final … Congrats adriano!
the indignation of you is the same that we Brazilians feel in the dozen times that we are underscored
the indignation of you is the same that we Brazilians feel in the dozen times that we are underscored
Go cry in bed Australian Kangoroo. . brazil power in economics, surfing, soccer, 2014 World Cup. 2016 Olimpic Games. Australia with its 15million people is no challenge to us.
I have to respond to this: “TO ME U ARE ENVY FROM THE BRAZZOS DOMINATES NO MATE??” Envy is like the Jersey Shoe Wives saying “people are jealous of me because…” NOPE WE THE SURF FANS ARE DISGUSTED WITH STATE OF “PRO” SURFING RIGHT NOW – IT IS 90′S ALL OVER AGAIN! I loved the 90′s WHEN iT was the 90′s! this is 2011 and the judging is old and tired. First off they can’t figure out the grabs or difficulty in different types of airs/grabs So they are just WOWED by anything other than a cutback. BUT to throw in “good” measure – a floater is the “sickest” maneuver in their minds as of late – WHAT THE F!?! Please do some research and come back as professional judges or else we are going to stop caring. AND I THOUGHT THE WHOLE REASON FOR WEBCAST WAS TO GARNER PUBLIC INTEREST,??! We can watch b.s. judging in the Olympic if we care to. NOT IN WT event. arggggggggg. The judging in this event was worse than any modern day am. comp. Sad to say I watched whole event (from 4 am – 1 pm) and am ashamed that I had to leave my warm /cozy bed and put off my workload for this crap. Hopefully J Bay will validate my “Habit” or else my wife is gonna be correct when she says “that these things are a waste of time.” I love pro surfing – but this was shameful. That said, I can’t blame Adriano for the win when the judges are worse than an elementary soccer ref. Argggggg!
timm donaghy>
a refferee from nba??? hahahhaha stop the BS.
@Nabuco – Hahahaha, I love that you Brazzos think that calling an Aussie, an “Australian Kangoroo” is offensive. I’ve read it here and over at Stab during this event and it’s so cute and comical! …..And also, what challenge? Are you declaring a war? You’re all so damn passionate, I love it!
Danger says:
May 21, 2011 at 1:55 am
Perhaps we should call you inmates… or did you forget the Australia was a prison country for the British empire, my redneck friend?
I hope I didn`t go too far.
Glad to see some opinions flying after what was a very inconsistent and poorly judged event. I’m especially glad to see I’m not the only loser who watched the entire event in spite of mostly poor conditions and really frustrating judging. I agree they were over scoring floaters and snaps and underscoring airs. Just because a lot of guys can usually pull one or two big airs a heat doesn’t make them easy. It means they rip! Also, cxz, dude commit. Just talk the sh@%t! You can’t go too far. No one is gonna take any of this seriously anyway.
this has nothing to do with brazzil vs australia or even solely about owen vs adriano. It was a shitty contest with shitty surf and poor judging the whole way through. Even if the surfers dont say as clear as some of the fans it is quite clear in most post heat interviews that they seem a bit frustrated with the conditions of the waves and baffled by the judging. Just look at Joel when he comments on his heat after that 9 point floater or what about Bourez super overscored heat in round 3? the whole contest was a shame for the asp and professional surfing unfortunate it happened in Brazil where there are so many other places with better more dream tour waves than rio. Hopefully it is a blessing it happened so early in the season that the officials can get their game together for the rest of the season. Fingers crossed for some epic surf and sober judging in Jeffreys.
@cxz, you’re so adorable! Call us what you want! X
steveness said it already:
who cared about this contest anyway. all they could do were floaters, because the waves didnt offer them much more…
and based on the gossip that nike is launching a tour stop in sydney downtown, i would say the tour isnt getting any better
1. adriano has been underscored way too many times. (not that this was a “revenge” but sometime it had to be on his side)
2. on semifinal #2 bede durbidge got a couple high 4′s for SH*T little floaters on a 2 foot waves. so it seems reasonable that adriano got an 8 for a HUGE one.
3. i think commitment was key on the heat against owen and adriano showed that and got the bigger waves with risky moves like that floater.
4. stop fighting because this contest is already over.
CONGRATS TO ADRIANO HE DESERVED IT SO MUCH, and hope that the ASP can keep up the reliability on their judging for the next events,
peaceeeeeeee
First, congrats to adriano. No one is pissed that he won the contest, its more a matter of inconsistent judging making for some puzzling results.
All you brazzos whinging about past brazzos being underscored in australian events need to understand that the judges ARE NOT provided by the host country. There is typically a mixture of judges from various surfing regions, i.e. one american, one brazillian, one australian, one hawaiian, etc. There is no vast, anti-brazilian conspiracy in the ASP, there just haven’t been many Brazilian tour wins overall because, until now, there haven’t been a huge number of brazzos on tour capable of winning. Its not because of racist judges. The past 15 years or so has been rough on brazilian surfers, get over it. Your time is coming, just look at the trestles event.
That being said… the judging was horrible in the heat above. By that criteria, I could occasionally beat Owen Wright in a contest. I can’t, but I can do a mean floater.
“with risky moves like that floater.”^
dude, do you even surf?
fuck i thought it was a pretty legit floater
I hear a lot of people mentioning “catching bigger waves” but I have a problem with the size of a wave carrying such weight within the criteria. This isnt the Eddie, it’s a contest staged in a rather average 3-4 foot set-up. If a contestant is lucky enough to snag the biggest wave within a heat, does this make him the likely winner of the heat, even if he only does one turn, albeit critical and functional? Is this not shifting heat results too far towards “luck” rather than a surfer doing the most with what a wave offers him to work with? There’s enough luck involved already, we should be rewarding surfing, not fortunate surfer line-up positioning.
Before I read this article I saw the floater from Adriano and I would never thought that the judges would given an 8 for one floater… I do think that Adriano was ripping but that wasn’t an 8. But, looking at the judging criteria throughout the comp, look like they were judging “3 to the beach”… I’m from Portugal and I’m always amped to see the Euro’s do good, but I don’t think that Jeremy Flores waves were as high of a score as they judge… 8 for 3 half turns?!?! In that perspective maybe Adriano’s wave was an 8…
Yep, It was a nice floater tough.
Adriano did an absolutely huge floater in a very difficult wave, it was so critical and aggressive.
Owen did 2 skateboard tricks in 2 shitty waves.
Wanna know whats surfing is all about? Watch Mark Occhilupo ripping a wave.
Good on ya Adriano, congrats!
This is the true: the aussies and americans don´t like brazilians and portuguese surfers wins ASP events. For a long time i observed that the judge not correct scored correctly the surfers from this countries. Also for a long time i observed the discrimination about in movies, they don´t show braziians in your movies, just americans, hawaians and aussies. This is why the surf still not compares with F1 RACES, or Football, or NBA, etc. There are not unity in ASP. There are false people who don´t respect the nations represented by competitors. All the nations demand respect for ASP. There are serious problem in ASP leaders and manages. All of you, think about that. Justice and respect for guys on WT tour, then all the peoples will believe on ASP events.
Jorge Jojó
Rio de Janeiro city, Brazil.
rootsland2001@yahoo.com.br
Not true Jorge.
I respect your countrymen greatly and like watching Adriano, Miguel, and Heitor. I do cheer them on and have wanted Adriano to do well for the past 4 years.
With this said, you cannot justify a one move – backside floater that is given above an 7.00 in a surf contest in this day and age. Adriano’s wave was scored an 8.23 and this was not an accurate assessment.
Jorge, put your Brazilian pompoms away. We are just being critical of the judges not your green speedo peeps.
YOU RE AN ASSHOLE ! SWALLOW THAT MOTHERFUCKER ! BRASIL PORRA
That was a pretty sick floater, going faster, on a bigger wave. ’nuff said.
NIC…are you saying that adriano’s floater wasnt risky????? maybe you are the one thats not a surfer. im not saying FLOATERS ARE RISKY, but adriano’s was, for sure.
Forget the floater!!! Now let analyse the two second scores of both surfers: Adrina goes for a vertical foam climb as a first move and then goes for a semi-move in the colose-out and gets a 6.00 for this (WEIRD, to much WEIRD).
NOW, lets go to Owens second score: he goes for a, if you want to go this far, a frontside foam climb (just to equaliza with Adriano’s first turn), goes for a little snap (an adjustment turn) AND goes for a huge fs slob air!!!! Score: 6.60.
WTF!!!!!! HOW CAN A FS SLOB AIR COMPARED TO A SMEI_MOVE IN A CLOSOUT HAVE A DIFFERENCE OF .60 pts??!?!?!?!??!?
THIS IS THE HUGE MISTAKE BY THE JUDGES AND EVERYONE TALKS ABOUT THE FLOATER!!! THIS IS WERE OWEN WAS STOLEN!
Peace!
i agree with the above post: forget about the score of the floater. Adriano’s second wave was pure kookiness.
look at that second wave- can you believe he claimed that shit?
Dear Australian friends,
Next time you happen to be in Rio, Sao Paulo, Santa Catarina, Fernando de Noronha or any place in Brazil for that matter, please try to speak this language that you guys call “English” in the water.
It would be really interesting to see the reaction after the pathetic crying in this blog. Needless to say that most of us are native speakers of Portuguese, fluent in English and in Spanish, whereas you… well speak like that aaahhmm mate?
By the way, I agree that Adriano was over scored, but you know what… This was simply a reflection of today´s geopolitical reality.
If you happened to be surfing those incredible waves that you have in your land and not be paying attention to the changes the world has experienced, nowadays, the money flows to wherever it can find the most returns… aka China and Brazil.
The ASP is a business and therefore acts as such… Since it has begun!
Cheers
P.S. See you in Saquarema (for those brave enough, or who have learnt jiu jitsu from a Brazilian master)
thank you for the remarks Ben/Nuno because besides floater – owen’s last WAS the score (don’t tell judges though), if you read ASP official statement on heat, they include criteria for judging & by their accounts “floww, variety and new manuvers r ALL part of score makeup. therefore Owen got score. hell 2 of 5 judges had it correct. just recounting criteria and wht Owen did proves that. No where in criteria does it say “Wave size” now where… But event is over so i guess we fans have to “move on” – B.S. If thia is new school surfing then i will stick to pro juniors& women’s tours. AND I don’t want to, so judges please figure out this crap for next event(s) or we fans will be “forced” to watch something else. p.s. – in “expression” session r ww really to believe that a 180 safety grab reo is betteer than Kerr’s full rotation 369 aireal? To me this is where I started smelling stinky vish in ASP judging panel.
look who is crying right now.
Goodness, seems as if everyone really does give a shit about pro surfing after all.
Long since stopped trying to second guess the judging panel from the webcast. An eight point floater! Clearly, those “dumpers” must have been a lot scarier first hand!
to Jorge: I can’t help noticing that your anger at the ASP’s structure does not include Renato Hickel, who was head judge of the World Tour for a number of years in the 1990s before taking on the task of ASP General Manager, a post he holds today. Renato is gentleman and an ornament to the sport who’s done as much as anyone to see it through the past 25 years. He is also Brazilian.
I agree with the what the judges are saying about the floater, it was critical and worth a good score… Owen still should have won the heat! Both his airs were sick! They were better than most of the airs through out the whole comp… But my biggest issue is with Adriano’s back-up score… If Owen was getting 6′s and 7′s then Adriano’s back-up score should have only been a 3 or 4. It was shit, he didn’t even ride outta the last turn whereas OW landed 2 massive airs and got a comparable score…
That is the most wicked thing I have ever seen!!
Val, can i ask what was risky about adriano’s floater. was it not the easiest thing he could have done on that wave.
a huge snap, would have been far more critical and harder
a carve would have been near impossible
an air would have been extremely risky
BUT this wave is 3-4 foot, is not a very sucky one either, making the floater quite easy to land. and with minimal consequences if he fell off (oh no water) it was not risky and was the easiest move to do on the wave.
maybe if he was 50 he could have risked tearing the ligamets in his knee. but he is not. he is a super fit young male, bulletproof.