Jeremy Flores and Sunny Garcia made the news in Australia last night after being involved in an altercation with another surfer on the Gold Coast during the Burleigh Breaka Pro. Flores states he was intervening when a local surfer was in a verbal argument with Sunny Garcia’s son. The three headed for shore when Sunny came running down the beach to intercept them. He’s then seen assaulting the surfer in the water, punching him several times.
Jeremy and the Garcia family have become close after spending time together this past year in Hawaii and the two are currently residing together on the Gold Coast during the contest.
The ASP disqualified both surfers then issued this statement:
“Following a physical altercation today, Jeremy Flores, has been disqualified from the event. The Association of Surfing Professionals does not condone any form of physical violence and we have strict rules in place for the conduct of any member both Jeremy and Sunny have also been referred to the ASP rules and disciplinary committee who will review the facts and make a decision if further action is required.”
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You guys are retarded! I have been on the other side of Sunny’s rage, unprovoked, in front of my kid. He didn’t think twice, as he outweighs me by 100 pounds. The guy deserves much worse than he’ll ever get, and all of you saying good boy sunny are morons, hope he cracks you for no reason someday so we can watch your dumbass cry foul then! Look at the pictures from surflinglifemag, the “he cracked my kid” is bullshit created to save J Flo and sunny’s side of the story. I can’t believe you guys stand up for poop? The story doesn’t change with sunny, and it’s always him wanting to pound on someone smaller, probably how he was beat as a kid by his own dad???
ACT ASP NOW OR FOREVER SHOW THE WORLD SURFING IS STUPID AND FULL OF MINDLESS IDIOTS!
GIVE US BACK ANDY AND TAKE SUNNY INSTEAD!!!!!!!!!
So let me get this right. In your Disappointed world, it’s ok to fight, as long as they check in with you to see if it’s right? It’s ok to burn dudes, as long as you think it’s the right dude? It’s ok to film whatever you want, no matter if it is none of your business? MMA rocks, as long as no-one uses it for the “wrong” reasons? Military occupation of a country is ok for the “right” purpose (as long as you have been educated to believe so)? It’s ok for you to push over guys who burn you? Basically, as long as you think it is a certain way, that is the way it is, correct? I can see you have read a few books by your writing, might want to stick with the reading, and not trying to interpret it. Your previous words do not match at all what you stated was your intention, as finally stated by your last statement, which is you don’t want anyone to question you when you fly off the handle. that’s why you are pissed at Sunny. Cause you’ve seen him in action many times before, and he misuses his bullying, but you don’t?! Oh yeah, I get it now! Like I said before, might not want to judge too early, or burn his son…
keep thinking you are the smartest guy out there, it is really working.
Mike,
Shortcuts to thinking don’t work.
I’m definitely not the smartest guy out there. But then, this has nothing to do with intelligence; it has everything to do with honor, respect, dignity, civility, and maturity. All qualities that neither you nor Sunny seem willing to embrace on, at minimum, acceptable levels. You reason in circles. Don’t you get sick of chasing your own tail?
Context is obviously a concept that you (and Cole) don’t quite grasp.
This will be my last comment on the topic and I’ll frame it like this:
A-hole provokes Stone. Jeremy steps in. Commendable. Good for him. If Jeremy told the idiot it was Sunny’s kid and he still provoked the situation then he deserved worse than he got for being a total moron.
Sunny gets involved. He should have waited on the beach for the jackass and slapped him around a few times. The humiliation would have been more than adequate. Nearly choking him out and bashing his head in in breaking waves with boards flying around is pretty stupid and Sunny’s lucky he’s not facing serious charges as this whole thing could have ended up much worse.
From all available accounts Sunny never saw the guy touch his kid. That should tell you plenty.
Camera guy. Totally innocent in all of this gets the worst of it. There is no defense for Sunny’s behavior here. Period. Any claim to the contrary is absolute bullshit.
Sunny CHOSE a public life. Like it or not he has a responsibility here. Apparently that responsibility is too much for him to handle.
You and a tragically large number of the neanderthals on here need a refresher on the Hatfields and McCoys. I’d recommend Willy the Shakes but I’m getting the feeling that’s out of your depth. Hell, you sound like you’ve barely gotten past Mother Goose & The Brothers Grimm.
Now, I’m getting back to my life. I’ve wasted too much of it here as it is.
They’re right: evolution isn’t a linear process. Thanks for the confirmation.
Never say never.
This just in:
“An insider told The Australian yesterday that the amateur Brazilian cameraman had taunted Garcia, and that the injuries displayed on the video and on the evening news were not caused by Garcia, as claimed, but by him tripping as he ran away.”
If the details of this article are absolutely true and correct I retract everything I have stated with regards to the camera guy.
I have no problem admitting when I am in the wrong when confronted with overwhelming evidence. That’s what a man does.
Disappointment, we are not done! Thank you for the clarity. I agree. Trouble is, I wasn’t the only one taking shortcuts! You got caught, like anyone else, making a judgment about something that we were there to see though we may “know the guy” or had our own moments him/them, or saw a video portion, minus the sound and emotion. I get it about Sunny, but your name calling SUCKS! Most of us share the position that there are things that need to be protected, like the pecking order in every surf town in the world. But, we don’t get there by jumping on either band wagon. Although I don’t share others experience surfing around Sunny, Sunny’s are everywhere. I like your version over some of our own here. Like you, I have tough, mean, surfed good at some point-still kinda do, methed out, and looking for a fight. SOMETIMES, people find what they are looking for. Anyone who thinks Sunny has ever been an ambassador for surfing or Hawaii and Aloha, I will never get. But, unlike you, I guess I appreciate that he has mostly earned his way out of the really poor position he was in. And IF YOU WERE THERE, which I am unsure of because of your position, you have no idea what it is like to get hung over a cliff for fun by a leash, or have the crap kicked out of you for being around. Or maybe you do and you just have animosity because you didn’t make the cut. I don’t know. But that is what he grew up in, period. He is a better representation of that group than the generation previous, period. But, it is a tough group. Easier to surf with than the Ho brothers! Sunny is a World Champ that had to exist in a pre-Kelly, groomed world where the best surfers all got lost to prison and drugs. The only ones we know now are the ones who survived! Why, because the cops didn’t arrest them too, for some strange reason. So give him some space. Like I told you, we probably agree about most things. Lame you have to insult people on your way. Some people sound a certain way, other people look a certain way, and some behave a certain way… so stop calling me names. It makes you out to be a jerk, and you probably aren’t. Try Tolstoy and a historian Thomas Cahill. They at the “prag” to you matism. And, continue making your voice heard with out degrading the humans around you by calling them names. Sunny defended his kid, like any dad should! I don’t care if he’s 16 and needs to learn, because dicks are dicks! 20-42, matters not. Mistake or stupidity, still a kid. Adult acting like kid, perpetuates the stupidity. Burliegh local acting tougher than he actually was, got a good life lesson about what violence perpetuates. Cheaper than college, if he is willing. Sometimes, like this 16 year old kid learned, don’t make sense at the moment, but hopefully you learn from them. I figured out surfing is a tough sport early, but at least I understand the context, now it is up to me to change the content of what “tough” means.
Context is this..surfing. Founded by a group of latch key kids who grew up without parents, Sunny included. Glad for you that you had a Dad, saved you from some stuff. Stop acting like you are better than everyone, and maybe you won’t be so bitter about what is essentially, a mistake…
sorry, I didn’t spell check. “we ‘weren’t’ there to see”…
“‘Somethings’”, sorry again…
Not, “they At”, but they “put”…
sorry, disappointed, my “girliness” prevailed before I checked my English…
Wasn’t just in, by the way. You presumed the worse…live there and know him.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
You’re bat shit nuts. Yes, “dude,” I am done. But you clearly aren’t. Prattle on.
PAU.
I’m soooo disappointed in ya disappointed…
you really are not too credible as a person,when you just make up malicious lies about people ,to feed your twisted point of view.
Wheres the documented evidence that I have nearly killed people? doesn’t exist because you just fabricated it,ya mental pygmy!
Cole,
Surfing is most certainly not anarchy. There is generally a pecking order, one that is being threatened more and more by the surf rage laws that we didn’t need until jerk-offs took things too far. Now I gotta worry that the next time I have to push some punk off his board for dropping outta the sky on my head his attorney is going to show the court the video of Sunny and try to equate my behavior with his. This is precisely where this shit is going.
anarchy…DUH…..how is the pecking order determined ya peanut! look up the meaning of anarchy!
I notice that maybe the photographer talked up his injuries for his moment of glory…….apology?
enuff already….
“Every time I try to get out, they pull me back in!!”
anarchy |ˈanərkē|
noun
a state of disorder due to absence or nonrecognition of authority : he must ensure public order in a country threatened with anarchy.
• absence of government and absolute freedom of the individual, regarded as a political ideal.
ORIGIN mid 16th cent.: via medieval Latin from Greek anarkhia, from anarkhos, from an- ‘without’ + arkhos ‘chief, ruler.’
conditions are dangerously ripe for anarchy: lawlessness, nihilism, mobocracy, revolution, insurrection, disorder, chaos, mayhem, tumult, turmoil. ANTONYMS government, order.
Again, I re-quote: “You keep using this word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”
Bat shit nuts?! Nice try…
You must be a middle age dude…48 is my guess. Pre-xer. Everything sucks for you, missed it all!
When a person repeatedly resorts to turning a debate into a string of petty personal attacks and crass assumptions that are neither accurate nor relevant he has unwittingly (mostly due to the fact that he is witless) conceded defeat.
One thing is absolutely clear: neither of us are going to come to an agreement of any kind.
Your style of argumentation creates far more heat than light. Drop it already. Move on. Return to the life that is, at least according to you, so much better than my own.
Go ahead, little king, and continue to rule in the empire of your delusions.
Yaaaaaawwwwnnnnn…..
Reality Check, Pt. II
Not that this is really any of your business, but maybe, just MAYBE, you’ll have the balls to actually learn something from this:
I barely know my father. I do know that he nearly beat me to death before I was old enough to walk. Then he descended into a drug addled abyss before my mother left him.
I also know that my alcoholic grandmother tried to kill me in the crib a few times.
I was raised around rampant drug use and volatile personalities.
Just the tip of the proverbial iceberg. Get the drift, Captain Smith?
I have every good excuse in the world to be either in a gutter, prison, or dead. None of these things happened because I took up surfing, music, books, and art – all of my own volition and against considerable opposition from all sides. I paid my own way through college and grad school and have had to bust my ass for everything I have ever had in my life. I’ve risked far more than most to chase my dreams. I’ve seen some live and others die and only I was there to pay the tab. I’ve also volunteered for various causes and am thankful for every opportunity I have ever been given.
I don’t use the horror I survived in youth as an excuse to be a thug. I learned from it because that is what I CHOSE to do.
You CHOOSE to make excuses for a guy who CHOOSES to behave poorly in full view of the world with a sad degree or regularity. Sunny came from a rough background and apparently learned nothing from it. Not only that but many people have given him many hands up to help him build a career. His response has been to shit on several of them and hide behind his tough guy act. Many people come from much rougher backgrounds and become ten times more of a man/woman than Sunny or you appear willing to be.
Taking a reductive view of people there are essentially two types: those who learn from the ugliness in the world and choose not to perpetuate it (and better yet, fight against it), and those who use it as a crutch and an excuse to be the very thing they despise while making false claims to the contrary.
Seems fairly obvious which choices you’ve been making so far.
You really, really should stop trying to act like you can figure people out from behind a keyboard on a Surfing comments thread. It makes you look like a complete jackass. You have no crystal ball, no voodoo, no powers of clairvoyance… just a lot of ego and attitude. Bad pool. You scratched on the break. You scratched on the 8 ball. And the ass you keep scratching is obviously the primary source of your information. Cut it out.
Tolstoy? Perhaps you should start listening to Sancho and stop chasing windmills, Quixote.
OK disappointed..no apology for making up ” MC has nearly killed people”,or” that the photographer maybe talked up his skirmish with Sunny,and fell over running and hurt himself!”….
Anarchy is surfing,or surfing is anarchy…..in your own printed definition,you have ” absence of authority,absence of goverment,” where I surf there is no one out in the water policing the unwriten rules of surfing etiquette,there is a hierarchy that exists thru respect,and or brute force…its survival of the strongest…or how do you explain to people who don’t surf ,if there is 100 guys in the water and only a set of waves every 3-5 minutes…who gets the waves….
as for your personal journey…at least you know who and what your parents were are..!
We’re obviously never going to come to any kind of agreement over this.
Let it go already. If you were truly the “bigger man” you would have done so by now.
Sorry to hear about that. Not surprised, though sad. But, quite honestly, you’ve called me a girl, told me I’m nuts, said I’m stupid, uncultured, etc…and I personally attacked you? Other than saying you might be 48! Oh yeah, had the general “poser”shout out a couple blogs ago. My point is still the same. Give Sunny space, I called bs on anyone jumpin on the “Sunny sucks and needs to lose his livelihood and should get his ass beat-down” bandwagon. Still think it. I’m not stupid, don’t like MMA, don’t like thugs, don’t like guns or violence, but as Maurice asked you, what is a pecking order? And, who makes the rules? Always depends on who is out. Been that way as long as I can remember…sorry again about your past, but it seems you’ve got your head on your shoulders. I wonder how you learned?!
Again, I still don’t see how you feel we don’t agree about most of what you said. What I do not like, neither does Maurice, is how quick yourself and others are ready to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Your position is not that different from either of ours, you just are acting like we are inferior because we would kick the crap out of anyone who bitch slapped my under-age kid too, 1,. And 2, I think your feelings about the world were playing out heavily onto this situation that ends up was about some other local tools acting like tools. Throw in a Brazo trying to make a name for himself by lying, as it ends up, and you have a bunch of guys weighing in on crap they don’t know about, and don’t take the time to think for themselves and wait for the story to come out. Acting like they are better people than Sunny. I though it was lame and said so, you called me names. I get you. You are smart, want what’s best for people, and think that Sunny lacks some skill sets that you feel he should have by now because you get it already and think that he should. Maurices simple point was Sunny enforced within a paradigm that is understood, including the guys that participated given the major threats they threw out. I get your point that it is lame. Understand, though, what are then the rules if we are to eliminate what seemed to be a common understanding of the moment that they were all in the altercation together? We get you. Just disagree about your conclusions about Sunny…or us for that matter. Someone who has as rounded a vocabulary as you usually judges a little less, that’s all.
Now I’m not a bigger man for completing an ongoing disagreement that I think can be cleared up? That’s what I’m sayin…
And, I am not trying to figure you out behind a keyboard. You made general statements about Sunny, I disagreed with you conclusion. Like you I earned my up too, even though I had good parents. I am raising kids who’s homework I do not do, and I EXPECT them to treat others with respect, and I define truly living as the ability to not just take care of their own needs, but others around them! Your philosophy classes and extended reading of literature might be impressive, but your over generalizations in your beginning written statements were very condemning and one sided. I know Sunny enough from our childhood experiences to see how the shortcomings of his personalty were filled with fame that disallowed him to grow up in some of his behaviors. I am glad you can observe this with your education and life experience. I have had Sunny threaten to kill me before in a heat, I know how he gets. I guess I’m not as comfortable as you are with the position of grace that I live in, despite the wisdom and experience I have gotten, to say what is being said on this board. And, specifically by you, that we need to be more peaceful, and that surfing somehow has this “miraculus order minus people like Sunny. Love them or hate them. I’m not trying to “figure you out”, I’m asking you to actually live in the stuff you say you believe. You deducing of my comments to me thinking you are not a good person are inaccurate, even though, by your written words, you clearly have taken that bend with myself and Maurice. I just don’t like it, but who am I to you anyway? There were 30 other guys saying dumb stuff on this site, but I addressed you solely because I thought you were a contradiction to you own beliefs. And, yeah, from a computer # hours away y flight, t stuck out that much that we addressed it specifically to you. because we think your and idiot? Not me, I just don’t like what you said, and, I thought, you would be one of the few that knew better. That is why I approached it nebulously. Over generalizing to make room for you to have a second thought, and you just kept doubling down on a thought, in my estimation, that hadn’t the quality and validity in which it was forced out. That’s it. Stupid old me..
This horse is so dead it’s not just out of the glue factory it’s dried, cured, and helping to display kindergarten art in classes around the world.
Seriously, guys, it’s time to let this one go. In fact, it was time at least a page or two back. I think we’ve tortured the moderator enough already.
With All Due Sincerity,
Wilbur Post
Funny part is…wait! Where did it go?
@mike,
I didn’t read through all of the other posts, sorry, chalk it up to a long days work and little sleep until I’m back at it tomorrow. But, something in the last few threads caught my attention. Why should Sunny be given any slack because he was raised perhaps on the wrong side of the proverbial tracks? He shouldn’t!
What if our judicial system decided to shorten sentences based on the defendants history or how they were raised? The environment you were raised in effects you, no doubt. However, we’re all accountable for the stupid shit we do. Sunny, regardless of his history or celeb status, should be held accountable. What he did was stupid and other them some verbal backlashing on the internet I don’t think he’s been held accountable.
And, did you see this “local” take a swing at Sunny’s kid? If not, then perhaps I’m missing something because I don’t see how Sunny chocking out and then punching some guy is considered “defending his son”? Looks and sounds to me like whatever happened, J Flores was doing a pretty good job handling it. Two guys whooping one guys ass is cowardice, no matter how you look at it.
I’ve been in the water dozens of times when Sunny’s been out. I’ve never given him any reason to get after me but I’ve seen the guy interact with enough people in the water to know that he’s an asshole…..in the water at least.
Sunny has always been a dipshit.
This incident only serves to remind us of that fact.
While I am fully in favor of maintaining the pecking order, the problem with sunny is he tries to do it wherever he goes. This didn’t happen on the north shore.
I am surprised the locals didn’t take care of him. If this happened at my local spot. Sunny wouldn’t have got off without a beating.
Trouble is Sunny thinks he’s better that the locals. If he ever comes to my spot, I’ll chase him out of the water on principle.
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Okay! Seriously! Any real man or father would have don the same thing… Jeremy!!! You should be a real man and not back hand other peoples children. Especially not Sunny’s! I was marred 2 Sunny for 10 years and he is a finally man all the way… Good luck Jeremy with your surfing carrier…..
Okay! Seriously! Any real man or father would have don the same thing… Jeremy!!! You should be a real man and not back hand other peoples children. Especially not Sunny’s! I was marred 2 Sunny for 10 years and he is a family man all the way… Good luck Jeremy with your surfing carrier.
Hey Sunny, come to Costa Rica and pull something like this. I hope you get shot you fuck.
sonny garcia has been charged with common assault. As to those who think he was protecting his kid, I’d say behaving that way in front of your children is quite the opposite. there is such a thing as a proportional response, and that ain’t it. You are entitled to defend yourself and your family, but what is going on there is all about teaching someone a lesson, it is way beyond defense. Its an interesting concept, the idea that you get respect through beating someone up, that you protect someone who is under no imminent threat by beating someone else almost unconscious. I can’t wait for sunny Garcia to make that argument in an Australian court.
yeah Sunny is going to get his day in court….as will clarkey,the tuff 23 year old local who had a crack at a 16 yeaer old,then fancied himself with a skinny 70Kg french kid…..
Clarkies problem is/was that he picked his “mark”,with younger and smaller surfers….he has a reputation as a hassler and fighting in the water……
sunny’s emotional reponse,is what happens in surfing,when a wannabe steps across the line…..and gets a lesson….in his own terms(ie: live by the sword,die by the sword!)……then goes and crys to the police,when his egos been trashed
clarkie..you are an embarassment to australian surfing,and hopefully the real burleigh locals ,have stopped ya surfin there,as you are just not up to being a real man in the surf!
Old argument here. Just wanted to add my 2 cents, or 1. Sunny is a fucking piece of shit that should be taken out somewhere and disappeared. Shit isn’t good for surfing, for Hawaii, or for the human race. Phew, I feel better now.
Bob..sounds like ya need a good shit,but don’t push too hard ya might disappear!